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gph 6:44 Fri Sep 28
Cats are useless...
... at catching rats.

In the battle of cats vs. rats, the rats are winning
Researchers show feral cats are not efficient predators of New York City's rats -- and why

The first study to document interactions between feral cats and a wild rat colony finds that contrary to popular opinion, cats are not good predators of rats. In a novel approach, researchers monitored the behavior and movement of microchipped rats in the presence of cats living in the same area. They show the rats actively avoided the cats, and only recorded two rat kills in 79 days. Published as part of a special "rodent issue" in Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution, the findings add to growing evidence that any benefit of using cats to control city rats is outweighed by the threat they pose to birds and other urban wildlife.

"Like any prey, rats overestimate the risks of predation. In the presence of cats, they adjust their behavior to make themselves less apparent and spend more time in burrows," says the study's lead researcher Dr. Michael H. Parsons, a visiting scholar at Fordham University. "This raises questions about whether releasing cats in the city to control rats is worth the risks cats pose to wildlife."

People have long associated cats as the natural enemy of rats. However Australian and US researchers say cats prefer smaller, defenseless prey such as birds and smaller native wildlife -- which makes cats a threat to urban ecosystems.

"New Yorkers often boast their rats 'aren't afraid of anything' and are the 'size of a cat'," says Parsons. "Yet cats are commonly released to control this relatively large, defensive and potentially dangerous prey."

"Until now, no one has provided good data on the number of city rats killed by cats," adds co-author Michael A. Deutsch, from Arrow Exterminating Company Inc. "But the data have been very clear as to the effect of cats on native wildlife."

When feral cats invaded a New York City waste recycling center, the researchers took the opportunity to correct the record. Their team was already studying a colony of more than 100 rats living inside the center, by microchipping and releasing the animals to study their life history. When the cats entered the research area, they set up motion-capture video cameras to quantify the effect of the cats on the rats -- the first time this has been studied in a natural setting.

"We wanted to know whether the number of cats present would influence the number of rats observed, and vice versa," says Parsons. "We were also interested whether the presence of cats had any effect on eight common rat behaviors or their direction of movement."

The researchers examined 306 videos taken over 79 days. Although up to three cats were active beside the rat colony each day, only 20 stalking events, three kill attempts and two successful kills were recorded in this time. Both kills took place when cats found rats in hiding; the third attempt was an open-floor chase where the cat lost interest.

The videos also revealed that in the presence of cats, the rats spent less time in the open and more time moving to shelter.

"The presence of cats resulted in fewer rat sightings on the same or following day, while the presence of humans did not affect rat sightings," says Parsons. In contrast, the number of rats seen on a given day did not predict the number of cats seen on the following day.

"We already knew the average weight of the rats was 330 g, much more than a typical 15 g bird or 30 g mouse," says Parsons. "As such, we expected a low predation rate on the rats -- and our study confirmed this."

"We are not saying that cats will not predate city rats, only that conditions must be right for it to happen," adds Deutsch. "The cat must be hungry, have no alternative less-risky food source, and usually needs the element of surprise."

The findings could explain why people continue to release cats as "natural" rat control tools. "People see fewer rats and assume it's because the cats have killed them -- whereas it's actually due to the rats changing their behavior," says Parsons.

"The results of our study suggest the benefits of releasing cats are far outweighed by the risks to wildlife," he adds.

The research team plans to continue collecting data as part of their long-term study and will update their findings as new information becomes available.

"Much more research is needed to better understand the city rat problem, we hope our successes will compel others to perform similar studies in other venues," says Parsons.

But for now, in the battle of New York City cats and rats it appears the rats are winning.

The first study to document interactions between feral cats and a wild rat colony finds that contrary to popular opinion, cats are not good predators of rats. In a novel approach, researchers monitored the behavior and movement of microchipped rats in the presence of cats living in the same area. They show the rats actively avoided the cats, and only recorded two rat kills in 79 days. Published as part of a special "rodent issue" in Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution, the findings add to growing evidence that any benefit of using cats to control city rats is outweighed by the threat they pose to birds and other urban wildlife.

"Like any prey, rats overestimate the risks of predation. In the presence of cats, they adjust their behavior to make themselves less apparent and spend more time in burrows," says the study's lead researcher Dr. Michael H. Parsons, a visiting scholar at Fordham University. "This raises questions about whether releasing cats in the city to control rats is worth the risks cats pose to wildlife."

People have long associated cats as the natural enemy of rats. However Australian and US researchers say cats prefer smaller, defenseless prey such as birds and smaller native wildlife -- which makes cats a threat to urban ecosystems.

"New Yorkers often boast their rats 'aren't afraid of anything' and are the 'size of a cat'," says Parsons. "Yet cats are commonly released to control this relatively large, defensive and potentially dangerous prey."

"Until now, no one has provided good data on the number of city rats killed by cats," adds co-author Michael A. Deutsch, from Arrow Exterminating Company Inc. "But the data have been very clear as to the effect of cats on native wildlife."

When feral cats invaded a New York City waste recycling center, the researchers took the opportunity to correct the record. Their team was already studying a colony of more than 100 rats living inside the center, by microchipping and releasing the animals to study their life history. When the cats entered the research area, they set up motion-capture video cameras to quantify the effect of the cats on the rats -- the first time this has been studied in a natural setting.

"We wanted to know whether the number of cats present would influence the number of rats observed, and vice versa," says Parsons. "We were also interested whether the presence of cats had any effect on eight common rat behaviors or their direction of movement."

The researchers examined 306 videos taken over 79 days. Although up to three cats were active beside the rat colony each day, only 20 stalking events, three kill attempts and two successful kills were recorded in this time. Both kills took place when cats found rats in hiding; the third attempt was an open-floor chase where the cat lost interest.

The videos also revealed that in the presence of cats, the rats spent less time in the open and more time moving to shelter.

"The presence of cats resulted in fewer rat sightings on the same or following day, while the presence of humans did not affect rat sightings," says Parsons. In contrast, the number of rats seen on a given day did not predict the number of cats seen on the following day.

"We already knew the average weight of the rats was 330 g, much more than a typical 15 g bird or 30 g mouse," says Parsons. "As such, we expected a low predation rate on the rats -- and our study confirmed this."

"We are not saying that cats will not predate city rats, only that conditions must be right for it to happen," adds Deutsch. "The cat must be hungry, have no alternative less-risky food source, and usually needs the element of surprise."

The findings could explain why people continue to release cats as "natural" rat control tools. "People see fewer rats and assume it's because the cats have killed them -- whereas it's actually due to the rats changing their behavior," says Parsons.

"The results of our study suggest the benefits of releasing cats are far outweighed by the risks to wildlife," he adds.

The research team plans to continue collecting data as part of their long-term study and will update their findings as new information becomes available.

"Much more research is needed to better understand the city rat problem, we hope our successes will compel others to perform similar studies in other venues," says Parsons.

But for now, in the battle of New York City cats and rats it appears the rats are winning.

The first study to document interactions between feral cats and a wild rat colony finds that contrary to popular opinion, cats are not good predators of rats. In a novel approach, researchers monitored the behavior and movement of microchipped rats in the presence of cats living in the same area. They show the rats actively avoided the cats, and only recorded two rat kills in 79 days. Published as part of a special "rodent issue" in Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution, the findings add to growing evidence that any benefit of using cats to control city rats is outweighed by the threat they pose to birds and other urban wildlife.

"Like any prey, rats overestimate the risks of predation. In the presence of cats, they adjust their behavior to make themselves less apparent and spend more time in burrows," says the study's lead researcher Dr. Michael H. Parsons, a visiting scholar at Fordham University. "This raises questions about whether releasing cats in the city to control rats is worth the risks cats pose to wildlife."

People have long associated cats as the natural enemy of rats. However Australian and US researchers say cats prefer smaller, defenseless prey such as birds and smaller native wildlife -- which makes cats a threat to urban ecosystems.

"New Yorkers often boast their rats 'aren't afraid of anything' and are the 'size of a cat'," says Parsons. "Yet cats are commonly released to control this relatively large, defensive and potentially dangerous prey."

"Until now, no one has provided good data on the number of city rats killed by cats," adds co-author Michael A. Deutsch, from Arrow Exterminating Company Inc. "But the data have been very clear as to the effect of cats on native wildlife."

When feral cats invaded a New York City waste recycling center, the researchers took the opportunity to correct the record. Their team was already studying a colony of more than 100 rats living inside the center, by microchipping and releasing the animals to study their life history. When the cats entered the research area, they set up motion-capture video cameras to quantify the effect of the cats on the rats -- the first time this has been studied in a natural setting.

"We wanted to know whether the number of cats present would influence the number of rats observed, and vice versa," says Parsons. "We were also interested whether the presence of cats had any effect on eight common rat behaviors or their direction of movement."

The researchers examined 306 videos taken over 79 days. Although up to three cats were active beside the rat colony each day, only 20 stalking events, three kill attempts and two successful kills were recorded in this time. Both kills took place when cats found rats in hiding; the third attempt was an open-floor chase where the cat lost interest.

The videos also revealed that in the presence of cats, the rats spent less time in the open and more time moving to shelter.

"The presence of cats resulted in fewer rat sightings on the same or following day, while the presence of humans did not affect rat sightings," says Parsons. In contrast, the number of rats seen on a given day did not predict the number of cats seen on the following day.

"We already knew the average weight of the rats was 330 g, much more than a typical 15 g bird or 30 g mouse," says Parsons. "As such, we expected a low predation rate on the rats -- and our study confirmed this."

"We are not saying that cats will not predate city rats, only that conditions must be right for it to happen," adds Deutsch. "The cat must be hungry, have no alternative less-risky food source, and usually needs the element of surprise."

The findings could explain why people continue to release cats as "natural" rat control tools. "People see fewer rats and assume it's because the cats have killed them -- whereas it's actually due to the rats changing their behavior," says Parsons.

"The results of our study suggest the benefits of releasing cats are far outweighed by the risks to wildlife," he adds.

The research team plans to continue collecting data as part of their long-term study and will update their findings as new information becomes available.

"Much more research is needed to better understand the city rat problem, we hope our successes will compel others to perform similar studies in other venues," says Parsons.

But for now, in the battle of New York City cats and rats it appears the rats are winning.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180927083342.htm

Replies - In Chronological Order (Show Newest Messages First)

Cheezey Bell-End 6:48 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
In the city, there are other food sources that don't bite back courtesy of the people in the vicinity.

Fivetide 6:51 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
I think you got those lyrics wrong

4ever-blowin-bubbles 8:39 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
cats are not useless
ive seen a number of cats on youtube entertain me.... lol

Mike Oxsaw 8:45 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Batman was never up against RATwoman.

Mad Dog 9:53 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
My 2 cats (Paolo DiCattio and tony cattee) are awesome

BRANDED 9:58 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Mine caught voles and mice. I guess rats just seem a bit too much effort.

Briano 10:16 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
If you died alone with your cats, they would eat you.

A dog would sit by you and starve

joe blob 10:19 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Our cat only eats, begs for food and sleeps. It is fucking useless, but I can't seem to bring myself to topping it.

Nurse Ratched 10:29 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Briano.

Proof that cats are cleverer and better, then.

Iron Duke 10:32 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Cats don’t give a fuck about anyone else.

They are like children and farts though. I like my own but can’t stand anyone else’s.

Briano 10:51 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Nurse
They are snidey, devious and self centered.

And the way they chew their food is just wrong

BRANDED 10:52 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
They're cats FFS.

Nurse Ratched 11:03 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Dogs are needy and pathetic. Cats can take care of themselves.

If you knew a human with the clingy, suffocating qualities of a dog, you'd despise them.

BRANDED 11:04 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Or call them a woman.

bruuuno 11:12 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
I love a cat but they are proper bottle jobs. Seeing my mum's stupid cat fronting out next doors ridiculous looking thing is really pathetic

Darlo Debs 11:22 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
When i was living down in Kent, a local cat took.a real.shine to me....followed me about etc. When i found out i was pregnant with my first child the cat disappeared that day and we never saw it again.

Funnily enough i nicknamed him Paolo di Catio

AKA ERNIE 11:38 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
cats fucking rock

Iron Duke 11:44 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Just out of interest, has anyone bothered to read the opening post?

Me neither.

yogib 11:51 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
Had 2 Mogs whenI was married- Milly and Molly - Milly was lovely and would go to anyone, Molly was my Cat, I could pick her up and carry her around- anyone else she would scratch the hell out of them. Loved me to screw up a bag of crisps so I could throw it and she could fetch it.

My Mog Molly was clever, used to pull the knocker on the front door to be let in and jump on the bedroom door handle to let herself in....She was hard as nails, ex's cat was soppy.....unlike the ex!!!

Tomshardware 11:56 Fri Sep 28
Re: Cats are useless...
I witnessed a cat cornering a big rat, the rat then ran and leapt about 2 foot in the air over the cat and ran away. The cat chased it again but the rat got away.

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